"Well, you don't leave. I'm also sober for a long time. And we have a phrase in recovery: 'If you stay on the bus, the scenery will change.' And, you know, that's marriage. If you stay on the bus, the scenery changes."
"I think perseverance, patience, gentleness and a really good dose of hatred. That's the truth. You're going to hate each other. Not leaving. Not allowing that hatred to then cause you to make some choice that you're gonna regret. I think that's really the secret."
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