We will not reach the 28bn the 28bn therefore is stood down and we focus on the outcomes. We want to get to that place because at the moment all you ever asked about is the size of the cheque and we want to have an argument about the outcomes, which is what matters.
We announced the 28bn two and a half years or so ago, when interest rates were very, very low. Since then Liz Truss crashed the economy and other damage has been done. [Interest rates] are now very, very high interest on government debt is already tens of billions of pounds a year. We've always said we have to be within the fiscal rules and fiscal rules come first.
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