[The 28bn plan] is subject to our fiscal rules, it's an ambition. One of the rules is that debt has to be falling as a percentage of GDP. I'm confident. We're talking about where we might be in 2027. So being a careful and cautious former lawyer, I know that the world can change. Four or five years ago, we didn't know we were going to hit Covid or Ukraine. I'm confident that we can get to that figure [but] in the end, the fiscal rule comes first.
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