"Mark Current levels of immigration are unsustainable. A lot of the people coming on small boats are honest, prepared to work, but some aren't. They could be criminals or terrorists. Yusuf Put yourself in their shoes. No one leaves a happy home, a country where they are settled and living a good life. You're talking about people who've got nothing or everything's been taken away from them. Small boat crossing is a small percentage; most of the immigration into this country is completely legal."
"For starters Mark Since I had surgery for Parkinson's, I sometimes have trouble finding the words. Yusuf is quite eloquent, and very passionate in what he believes. I do drink but I just had a blackcurrant and soda. I had a sirloin steak, then a pancake with ice-cream. Yusuf You've got a certain image of what you think a Reform voter looks like a white T-shirt with a union jack, or a red-faced, portly kind of guy and that was completely taken away."
Yusuf is an economics tutor and content creator who votes Labour and describes himself as what would have been old centre-left, left of Starmer. Yusuf once walked over hot coals at a Tony Robbins event. Mark, 66 from Walsall, is a former nurse and lecturer now retired who has voted for most parties and last voted Conservative, and says he may vote Reform next. Mark cites surgery for Parkinson's and occasional word-finding difficulty. Both men contrasted drinks and meals. Yusuf emphasizes empathy for migrants and legal immigration; Mark expresses concern about unsustainable immigration levels, crime risks, and overpopulation pressures on services.
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