"SHAPIRO: The fundamental question that lies at the root of all of this is the question that you're not wanting to answer, which is whether boys can become girls. NEWSOM: Yeah, I just-, well, I think I'm for the grace of God. Yeah. SHAPIRO: I mean, I appreciate the sympathy. I also feel terrible for-, listen, anybody who's suffering with any sort of mental or physical condition, that's terrible."
"NEWSOM: I mean, I think it's been the case for generations, for time immemorial. I, you know, God bless. I just-, I don't know how- SHAPIRO: Why is this a hard one? I just don't understand why this is a hard one. NEWSOM: Because I don't know why it's such a, why is it such a-. I'm curious. I understand the political potency of it."
Ben Shapiro pressed Governor Gavin Newsom about whether boys can become girls during an interview, asking the fundamental question directly. Newsom avoided a direct yes-or-no answer, invoking the grace of God, expressing sympathy for those who suffer, and noting gender identity struggles have existed for generations. Newsom emphasized that affected individuals are few, often lead remarkable lives, and decried hate, bigotry, condemnation, and judgment. Shapiro argued that social transitions sometimes occur without parental knowledge and maintained that stating a biological assertion about sex is not an act of bigotry. The exchange revealed sharp disagreement over definitions of gender and public rhetoric.
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