'Karl was literally going to be left on his own [vs Crewe], so I said, 'Right, I'll come on the bench with you.' It was just me and Karl, the physio, goalkeeping coach, and sport scientist. I enjoyed it. Karl enjoyed it. And we were saving a little bit of money, not getting another coach in.'
'It came by chance, coming in the dugout in a League Two team, saving every little bit of salary helps: we can get maybe a better gym kit, maybe we can get a player on loan.'
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