The couple visited the KQED offices in San Francisco on March 3, 2023.
They reflected on what it was like defending their relationships and identities on a national stage and how the anti-gay rhetoric used in the Proposition 8 campaign still echoes today.
As a queer journalist covering California's gay marriage journey, Carlos learned a lot about himself in the process.
The unsealing of those tapes put every word during that trial on the public record for history to hear.
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