"After Mulvaney protested, The government's too big. It just is. We're $37 trillion in debt, Cohen responded, When we talk about this idea that the government is too big, that there's too much spending I mean, Mick, it's your party. It's Donald Trump that is adding trillions and trillions and trillions to the debt because they want to give themselves tax cuts, he said."
"The Republicans just passed a budget bill that would add $4 trillion to the debt. $4 trillion. I get it. Okay, remarked Mulvaney, to which Cohen replied, You can scoff it off, but it doesn't change the math. The two men then began to talk over each other as Cohen continued, Don't change the subject. I mean, you brought up the fact that the government was too big, and so I said the government is too big because the Republicans are spending too much,"
A televised exchange escalated when Mick Mulvaney refused to debate Brian Tyler Cohen, saying, "I'm not gonna debate a podcaster." Cohen cited a $37 trillion national debt and blamed Republican policies and Trump-era tax cuts for adding "trillions and trillions" to the debt. Cohen pointed to a recently passed Republican budget bill that would add $4 trillion and criticized party spending. Mulvaney attempted to shift topics, declining to discuss COVID-era bipartisan bills and saying he would not debate a podcaster. Cohen pressed numbers on air and later mocked Mulvaney on social media for refusing the debate.
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